Enlightening Commentary

No True Bill

Posted on November 24, 2014

Nothing to See Here Folks... Naked GunWhile the events down in Ferguson play out, back in Chicagoland the same old bullshit continues day in and day out with nary a peep. In the 107 days since officer Darren Wilson shot and killed 18 year old Michael Brown – 12:03pm, Saturday, August 9th – the following stupidity has taken place in Chicago:

Brutal, yet incredibly asinine and absurd to say the least.

So what is it about these stats that hasn’t caused people to lose their collective shit?

After all, there have been plenty of opportunities to march, chant, throw shit, break stuff, come up with a hashtag, etc… in the past few months, not only in Chicago, but all over the nation. So where is the national media? The cable news talking heads? The race pimpin’ super duo of Jesse and Al? The professional agitators and social justice warriors? The exploiting politicians? Almost 900 shootings and homicides in the past three months and not one is worthy of their attention.

Someone from ‘round these parts once said “never let a crisis go to waste”. Apparently these stats aren’t crisis-y enough.

Keep it short and to the point. Name calling and similar stupidity will be deleted. If you insist on writing several paragraphs, start your own blog.

  1. Halas Ditka Gibron Jauron November 24, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    And the bears have gone from a top super bowl pick to who we knew they were!

  2. Dan November 24, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    Well white cop and dead black teenager trumps the hundreds of black on black victims. After all you can’t blame all your problems on whitey if you show that whitey is not your main problem in your neighborhood, but the people in your neighborhood and their lack of respect for everything is the problem.

  3. Ben Lujan November 24, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    Black-on-black crime means little to Jackson and Sharpton. They’re always AWOL in situations like that.

    • William O. B'Livion November 25, 2014 at 11:57 pm

      Mr. Lujan, let’s face–there’s no one for Sharpton or Jackson to shake down, and if there isn’t any money in it, why get on a plane?

  4. Mayberry RFD November 24, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    Watching these savages burn and loot their jungle is good TV.

    In one sequence, they broke out the windows of a McDonalds and then looted a liquor store. These savages were running out of there with arm loads of booze. Hopefully, someone got still pictures as that encapsulates their society.

    I read on another blog that the surest way to disperse them would be to drop job applications from a plane on them. Indeed, that would make them run at least as fast from, as they ran to free liquor!!!

  5. sticitodaman November 25, 2014 at 12:07 am

    It’s just plain sad. I watch the local news every morning and it always starts with them reporting all the shootings. Most of the shooters are tied to gangs yet most of the victims are not. They are simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. These victims are quietly laid to rest and nobody blinks an eye. I don’t understand how people can make such a big deal when a criminal gets shot and killed, yet a little girl or boy can be killed by a stray bullet from a drive by and nobody says anything.

    • William O. B'Livion November 25, 2014 at 11:59 pm

      sticitodaman: Manditory firearm training in schools. Edie Eagle from k-4th grade (no, seriously go read the program it’s GOOD for little kids), then basic firearms handling and marksmanship.

      At least then the bastards will hit what they aim at.

  6. DMS November 25, 2014 at 2:13 am

    Where was the DIPSHIT duo tonight, or maybe the press was just ignoring there efforts in Ferguson.
    I’d like to see Jesse and Al’s itinerary for today.
    God I despise those two idiots!

  7. fr. marquette November 25, 2014 at 3:20 am

    Did our AG make an appearance anywhere?

  8. E. Normus Dick November 25, 2014 at 6:14 am

    The issue is simply this:
    Blacks have become their own worst enemy. Look at the stats. Single family homes number in the high 70 percent range. Black young men that have no job, no ambition, and no intention of getting a job number in the high 70 percent range.
    The black people everywhere think whitey is their problem…whitey is holding them back…in the high 70 percent range. Ask Dr Ben Carson if whitey held him back.
    You black thugs need to stop selling drugs or hookers and get a real job. Quit making babies with every woman that walks by and stick with one.
    Whitey aint your problem…youre your problem. I believe there is a word for people like you…and it has nothing to do with your color…CRIMINAL…

    • Johan Meyer November 25, 2014 at 10:31 am

      Black unemployment is about 13%:
      Labour force participation rate is about 62%, vs 63% for whites. Black youth unemployment is 25%. The numbers contradict you.

      As to single parent households, I’m curious to know the source of your statistics—fifty percent of black youth live in single parent households (same as twenty years ago), yet violent crime is about half of what it was twenty years ago. Likewise, teen pregnancy among US black youth has been dropping the last ten years, e.g. about 30% in NYC.

      • William occam November 25, 2014 at 3:42 pm


        • Johan Meyer November 25, 2014 at 5:43 pm

          Thanks. I checked the article, but the reference links are dead, and rerouted—they ultimately rely on Huffington Post. I then rechecked my source—I misread—it is and was about 50% of black children with single mothers; the remainder of single parent households are with their fathers. The total is 67%.

          • Chiraq or Afcago? November 25, 2014 at 9:24 pm

            Johan – one of the reasons you may be thinking black pregnancies are down is a sad one – abortions are waaaay up. In fact, in NYC there are more black abortions than live births.


            You also have to understand our unemployment statistics. The numbers are based only on those who file for unemployment insurance – a relief payment. The duration of UI is typically 26 weeks. Once the period has completed, those individuals have been deemed as removed from the workforce. It doesn’t mean they aren’t looking for work, but according to the government they are no longer counted at all. So there are a lot of individuals who have been fired from their jobs and therefore not eligible for UI, and they aren’t counted either. So the real unemployment rate really could be 70% for certain groups but the US government has no way of formally counting those out of work unless they are receiving public assistance via UI. Participation rates are estimates based on age distribution (those considered too young or old for the work force), and those on public assistance. The natural unemployment number universities use in economics courses is 4% (counting those unable to join the workforce based on age or health) and typical workforce unemployment is typically 2%. Therefore when the unemployment numbers exceed 6% to 7%,our politicians start pointing fingers at one another. It has been suggested that at one time US unemployment was reported to be 12%, but “real” unemployment, or those not able to work and not able to collect UI was over 20%. The numbers have gotten better, but the October 2014 number was reported to be 5.8% but anyone with half a brain would call BS on that number.

  9. James manos November 25, 2014 at 9:38 am

    In order for a shooting to gain national attention it must fit a pre- made narrative
    One where white racism is the cause of all social ills not just the”true” cause of criminal behavior.
    All whites must be punished for this transgression and the debt will never be repaid.
    The FedGov is the enforcer for this lunatic state of affairs and the FedGov schemes daily new ways to make the white population helpless via wealth transfer and various attempts to repeal/restrict the 2nd Amendment.
    Where an how this ends I don’t know but I don’t see it ending in my lifetime.

    • William O. B'Livion November 26, 2014 at 12:02 am

      Mr. Manos, it doesn’t have to fit, they’ll MAKE it fit.

      As another wit said, the #2 job of the media is to tell you what they want you to hear. The #1 job of the media is to make sure you don’t hear anything they don’t want you to.

      Hence 4 minutes of Gruber on ABC, and none at all on NBC.

  10. john cass November 25, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Once again W.H.’s stats are an absolute knock-out. A home run. Pulitzer Prize to that fella….. But wait. Is the Pulitzer Prize handed out for honest reporting? Or is it handed out for other reasons? And as for the entrenched media: thay are letting themselves become absolutely irrelevant. Faster reporting here. More honest reporting here. More critical thinking – all right here. And yes of course it is all whitey’s fault for everything wrong in the universe. If that narrative were to ever change and the knee-grow looked inward – the crimes would subside significantly.

    • Johan Meyer November 25, 2014 at 11:11 am

      Crime will drop when the low-to-no lead-poisoning (paint, not bullets) birth-year set becomes dominant in the crime-perpetrating age sets. I posted a link here once:

      Probably what drives the anger disparity between gang murders and killings by the police is that when gangsters kill each other (or each others’ relatives), the gangsters are already seen as hopeless, and a drain on society—one less gangster. Youth are the hope of any society, so when a youth is killed, and especially unarmed (whatever his prior conduct), it will cause anger, and in a low-impulse control group (e.g. those that suffered infant lead poisoning—the cleanup of lead paint only started in earnest around 1992, with a resulting drop in lead poisoning around 1997), riots and other stupidity is expected (along with reduced IQ, btw).

      Rioting is normally a youth phenomenon—yet go find photos of the riots—there’s an age set missing—how many rioters whose faces are obvious, do you see, that appear younger than say twenty?

      • Irondoor November 25, 2014 at 4:12 pm

        Any white children grow up in homes contaminated by lead paint? I know that I probably did (a 4 room + bath home my parents paid $8,000 for in rural Mississippi), and it caused me to get a college education, fly jets in the Air Force and now own my own business. But maybe it affects blacks only.

        • Johan Meyer November 25, 2014 at 5:24 pm

          It does affect white kids in the same way; white kids are just about one in six times as likely as black kids to be raised in such a house. As to the house in which you were raised, I’d have to ask a few questions:
          Was the house painted by the federal government in the 30s, or prior to that by the owner? If so, lead paint is likely. So much more so if the paint was generally pealing (often children would eat the paint).

          But now we are talking about probabilities.

      • William O. B'Livion November 26, 2014 at 12:05 am

        Brown and Martion were both out of the cohort exposed to Lead Paint in government housing, either due to age or to not being in public housing much if at all.

        This isn’t to say that lead paint isn’t a problem, but the problem is much deeper.

  11. Mr. Wilson November 25, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Poster Johan Meyer’s catch-all “Sherman-Williams” explanation for the inherent violence in black progeny is more apologist junk that fails the test of reality.

    The heritage slave train rolls on down the excuse track, the terminal guilt trip on America engineered by the usual suspects: Jackson and Sharpton – now joined by a new crop of media-paid propagandists: CNN’s L.Z. Granderson and Van Jones, along with the roster of aroused lesbians bowling gutter balls on MSNBC.

    Black marauders the product of lead-based paint?
    No research required to know that there’ s many more kids of every other racial stripe exposed to paint chips than the black casualty argument at the center of Mr. Meyer’s flimsy theory. Impoverished white and Latino kids trod similar ground. Some of them also get killed for wanton acts of aggression, perhaps similar to the fate of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

    But other races don’t burn down the town when a cop isn’t lynched.

    Indeed, Black America’s hedge fund is forever leveraging the Jim Crow past. With a seat available at every table this millennium for every race, a leftist media seizes upon any Chicken Little cry of racism. Low and behold, a new reality television series:
    “F E R G U S O N”. Drama, rage, tears , clueless parents and plenty of interlopers – the whole package, wrapped in the gristle of yesteryear’s racism.

    Selma, 1965, this ain’t.

    Black America 2014 has a massive problem of its own making:
    1. Three of every four Negro births are out of wedlock.

    2. Half of all murders in the USA are committed by blacks.

    3. The media is duplicitous: News organizations shy away from the ugly truth in the inner city. TV entertainment programming and advertising has canonized all-things-black for 20 years. In every scenario, the authority figure or the “cool” presence is always the black person. Extra points if a black female is scripted into the scene. And up until the recent summer and the NFL’s domestic abuse wrist-slap scandal, televised athletics promoted the black superhero, deluding fatherless black children into believing that education is less important than a jump shot.

    This sustained television portrayal has built a sense of entitlement, as if the slave-shaming of the nation by black leaders never went away in the first place.

    4. President Obama’s election, 2X, damn-well demonstrated the open-mindedness of the American public and a post-racial mentality. But like all the other black mouthpieces in this country, condescending Barrack revealed his true colors with an agenda that undercuts the noble intention that voted him into office.

    “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon Martin”

    In that case, Mr. President, he’d be a wannabe gang-banger with a toe tag.

    5. Attorney General Eric Holder, with Obama’s blessing, has turned the D.O.J. into an attack dog to intimidate every police force in the country. In the wake of the Grand Jury’s decision in Ferguson, note that a court overturned the Feds’ civil rights convictions of the New Orleans police officers, accused of murder following Hurricane Katrina. The verdicts were tossed out by a federal court in September 2013, because of the outrageous and illegal behavior by Holder’s DOJ investigators and department lawyers.

    6. The vacuum of leadership in black America, now decades on.
    The one thing within Obama’s power was to take stock of the excuses and violence in black America. He could have promote personal responsibility and community accountability, starting in his very own Chicago neighborhood. Only the killing of a bright young woman two years ago commanded the President’s attention. For a day.

    Obama’s “Brother’s Keeper” program adequate or even worthwhile?
    The horrific statistics of carnage on this website speaks to the sorry reality that is black America: Unemployment, drugs, crime, murder, misogyny, fatherless children having more children, spawning the shameful phrase “baby momma” – all with a street soundtrack that promotes the cycle of illegitimacy, defeat, violence and premature death: Rap.

    This massive social problem is because of lead-based paint?
    That answer is a drop in the bucket.

    • Johan Meyer November 25, 2014 at 5:40 pm

      Flimsy? It has been reproduced for USA down to a state level, and for Canada and western European countries, with lead poisoning being about twenty years before crime, with an additional two years for gasoline, as there is a delay between gasoline consumption and average environmental pollution. Try Rick Nevin’s research. (Google Scholar, if his website is too flimsy for your tastes.)

      Anger at the riots in Ferguson shouldn’t distract from root causes.

      Moreover, recall when race riots were mostly the other way around? I’m talking about the 1910s to 1930s. Lead paint used to be a luxury item, starting in the mid 1870s (sic), and reached peak usage by 1900. Try Brush with Death, by Christian Warren.

      • Johan Meyer November 25, 2014 at 5:45 pm

        I guess I should be more clear—the race riots in question were the lynchings—that also followed lead paint.

  12. KTK November 25, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    True dat!

  13. Johnmann November 25, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    Most of the businesses that have been burned and looted in Ferguson are minority owned… it’s not good enough to kill each other, they’ve got to burn each other out too. A wise man said, “Don’t sh** where you eat.” In Ferguson, they not only sh** where they eat, they burn that sh**.

  14. a November 25, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    never forget – obama’s chief campaign supporters and contributors were sbag lawyers. obama has furiously been employing sbag lawyers in gov’t jobs, and getting those sbag gov’t lawyers to generate business for the private and public lawyer industry. these sbags lawyers have done an outstanding job in generating peak revenues for private lawyers and peak employment for both priavte/gov’t sbag lawyers. getting holder to indict darren wilson is only one of the ways that obama is paying back his chief supporters. its not about race – its about sbag lawyers like obama generating business and jobs for other sbag lawyers. wake up folks – the sbag lawyers have infiltrated, invaded and polluted every level of gov’t. their chief role – create problems/issues that must then be litigated or resolved by other sbag lawyers/judges. lawyers can be directly tied back to every single problem in america. lawyers, all of them, are complicit in the destruction of the american dream, and all of the freedoms/liberties provided by the u.s. constitution.

  15. Johan Meyer November 25, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    @Chiraq or Afcago
    I did previously respond to those points (abortion in NYC among blacks) when you raised them, although a new post was up by the time I got around to it. Second and third to last comments.

  16. Chiraq or Afcago? November 25, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Yo, y’all! I moved from the Chi-burbs to the Cities of the Saints…and 14 road miles from the mayhem in Ferguson. I can see choppers circling the area from my 4th floor window (this new crib is the shizzle). People tell me how bad the crime is here, and I ask them if they have any idea how many shootings have happened in Chi-town since 1/1/14 and of course no one says boo, y’all…and then when I tell them 2,300+, I get a lot of “hey, you wanna see my shocked face?” imitations. Well, time for bed, shutting off the scanner from STL Riot-A channel (154.725), sayin’ my prayers, and huggin’ my Winchester SX3 in the boom-boom room. Peace – out.

  17. QueenHerMajesty November 26, 2014 at 7:50 am

    The ignorance in this comment section is disappointing at least. A litany of racist comments BUT, racism is NOT an issue in this country. It’s scary for me, as a Black woman, to know that all of you nameless, faceless, Internet article commenters might be a coworker. The problems with race in America is a huge one. Statistics right here in this article show that murderers typically kill people of their own race. Period. Where is the outrage owner white on white crime?

    Try this, live with a bit of understanding. Recognize that you never have or will know what it’s like to be Black in America. Accept differences. And if you don’t know, understand, comprehend, etc., make art effort to bridge the divide between races. Beginning right her in our most segregated big city in the country. And if you are not willing to do so, sit down and shutup.

    • The Green Knight November 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm

      You’re right, of course, that a white person will never know what it’s like to be black in America, but this young man knows. I wonder what you would say about his comments.


  18. Jojn Galt November 26, 2014 at 8:41 am

    I love the Shot.Clock. How does it compare to other model cities like Detroit, Flint, Baltimore, Nashville, New Orleans…

  19. Johan Meyer November 26, 2014 at 8:56 am

    The murder rate is about 10 times at present. There’s a heuristic reason to believe that unemployment is a factor (not term, i.e. multiply unemployment by mean lead poisoning), although that would predict 20% more murder among blacks than what is found. The heuristic is the assumption of equal genetic IQ potential, minus lead-induced IQ loss, in developed countries where IQ loss is dominated by lead poisoning (vs e.g. iodine deficiency, mercury poisoning, malnutrition, various diseases of childhood), along with a non-linear relation between IQ and lead poisoning (see bottom article on Nevin’s page for IQ/lead poisoning relation).

    Another matter to observe, is if you dig up the blood lead levels (CDC NHANES II/III). Superficially the average is quite low, but note the odd (and reproducible) nearly inverse relation between blood lead level and proportion thus affected (black and white), especially at higher blood lead levels (if you find the 70s data, you’ll see a peak—this is gasoline, which was administered nearly daily by breathing ambient air). This inverse distribution is an artifact of the biologoical half-life of blood lead (35 days)—the time between poisoning and measurement is a random variable, and should intuitively be more or less uniform over a wide range, from 0 to e.g. 180 days, thus producing the inverse (actually, difference of logs, but close enough—dlnx/dx = 1/x) blood lead distribution.

    So compare racially the high ends of the distribution to see the ratio of poisoning, but realise that the total poisoned is much higher—if you consume enough lead in a short period (few hours) to have 80 ug/dl (microgram per deciliter) lead in your blood, and you measure six months later, you’ll have 2.5 ug/dl blood lead, though the damage will be due to the 80 ug/dl. And other than a stomache ache and loss of intellectual potential (damaged parents aren’t going to pick it up), lower levels of lead poisoning are usually missed, even by pediatricians.

  20. E. M. November 26, 2014 at 9:06 am

    Levels of blood, pffft. What about the upbringing, family morals, traditions, being a contributing member to society, family in general and getting a proper education..This has more to do with the problem than your idea of lead levels. When we support a generation of ignorance they will continue to breed even more ignorance, thus the problem we face. Lord help us all

    • Johan Meyer November 26, 2014 at 9:38 am

      Are blood lead levels and the concerns you list independent?

    • Darkthirty November 27, 2014 at 2:09 pm

      Lead levels are also shown to correlate to your race considering incarceration to be a rite of passage……

  21. Lumpy November 26, 2014 at 9:09 am

    I’m a new visitor to this site, ironically born in Chicago, and I have this to offer. The city in which I live is about 1 million people. You have about 2 1/2 million. You have the toughest gun laws in the nation. You have Crips and Bloods; you have Hell’s Angels, Mongols and Bandidos; you have Mexican drug gangs, Guatemalan drug gangs, Haitian posses and local meth factories;you have the mentally ill; you have garden variety armed robbers/carjackers/rapists et al,’ You also have over 500 murders per year. We have Crips and Bloods; you have Bandidos, Iron Horsemen; and Los Vagos; we have Mexican drug gangs, Guatemalan drug gangs, Haitian posses and local meth factories; we have the mentally ill; we have garden variety armed robbers/carjackers/rapists et al. We have no gun laws. We have about 50 murders a year. Most of our murders are members of the aforementioned groups settling scores among themselves. What do you suppose makes the difference?

  22. KTK November 26, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Lead Paint and leaded gas do not sufficiently explain all the flying lead. In the bucket of reasons for Chicago violence, it is the proverbial drop. Chicago crime is like the epilogue for the book Lord of the Flies. There aren’t any adults raising children, just violent children raising violent children. All perpetuated and facilitated by the RAP/Hip Hop culture, intellectual academics (who deem all anti-social behavior as avant garde), political apologists and race opportunists like Jesse and Al.

    Life is simple; but the simple things are hard. Study, Get married, stay married, raise your children with values, and work. Duh.

    • Johan Meyer November 26, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      Then a simple test lies ahead of us. If the bulk of black violent crime remains after twenty years, then your theory stands uncontradicted. If however black crime plummets (as in drops by 90% or more), that will be with current parenting. But the trend should be clear in five years at most.

    • DMS November 26, 2014 at 8:32 pm

      I think the Lord of the Flies reference is excellent.
      Also, JoHan, lighten up on the lead paint theory! Your sounding a little over the top.
      Unless you can show me how they metaled down the lead paint to make bullets, I’m not buying into your theory.

      • Johan Meyer November 27, 2014 at 4:14 pm

        On your challenge: infant lead poisoning leads to lack of impulse control.

  23. Mayberry RFD November 26, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Great posts!!!

    The lead paint thing is too much to wrap my head around.

    Last question around that. I don’t think lead paint is used anymore. If true, then soon, wouldn’t we be violence free?

    The person that spoke out about living as a black American …

    You are correct, I do not know. White on white crime you ask – they are savages as well. Think the difference is, that we don’t burn down and loot our neighbors when a non-white kills a white. And certainly never when the white is nothing more than a run of the mill street punk.

    I am sorry, but I will never make allowances for people who kill other people. However, I have a total lack of respect for anyone that dismisses these savages actions, because there was slavary or we have people who are racist.

    Being called a racist doesn’t scare me, as a matter of fact, it tells me I just made a point that you cannot refute and society has given you another out.

    In short – Take some godamn responsibility!!!

    Lead paint – fabulous!

    • Johan Meyer November 27, 2014 at 10:26 am

      The paint doesn’t magically disappear after sales are banned. It must be manually removed from the walls and other surfaces of dwellings. Pealing is a slow process of self-removal.

      • Johan Meyer November 27, 2014 at 10:31 am

        Forgot to add—that largely got started in 1992.

  24. thomas November 26, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Lead paint? You have got to kidding right? It’s the culture for Christ sake. This sounds as crazy as the folks that STILL think Michael Brown was a “good boy”.

  25. Darkthirty November 27, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Johan’s Lead Paint Abatement Service 1-800-EAT-LEAD

  26. Chiraq or Afcago? November 28, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Just posted this elsewhere on the ‘net. Oh, and get this QueenHerMajesty – a third of the “protestors” this morning are white – I saw them. Note I never mention race in my comments below.

    Latest craze of the crazies: mass die-ins at local St. Louis malls – a couple dozen people lay down and pretend to be dead. One mall shut down and police are gathering at another. A message to the protestors:

    1. If your premise is to seek peace and harmony, it isn’t working. Try demonstrating peace and harmony; it might work out better. You might give prayer a chance, too. Ask Planned Parenthood about the power of the people praying outside their facilities and their continual lost revenues when young mothers hear that prayer.

    2. If the Brown case is your guiding light, find a better honor student than one that committed two violent felonies in the last 10 minutes of his life. There’s a lot of dead kids whose only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time buried in the cemeteries in Chicago whose souls await recognition instead of indifference.

    3. If you want others to understand your point of view for change, find another tact that others from all walks of life can identify with. No one other than you gets it. Burning cars and buildings does not win hearts and minds.

    4. Support character development in the community as a whole. Scouting is a great way to teach boys to grow up to be men and contribute to society instead of being the reason it is breaking down.

    5. If 1, 2, 3 and 4 aren’t to your liking, consider hiring a marketing specialist with all the money that somehow ends up in Rev. Al’s pockets. Rev. King wasn’t a rich man who owed the government millions in back taxes.

    I think I’ll go grab my rosary while the rest of America fights over the last cheap deals at Walmart. Do I hear an AMEN?

    • Chiraq or Afcago? November 28, 2014 at 4:37 pm

      And only W.H. knows my race…I ain’t sayin’ because it does not matter.

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  28. Horvik November 30, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    I find many of these comments with merit and one or two entertaining.
    The oneperson who said kids raising violent kids hit it right on the button. With that setup, what do you think is going to happen. More honor students?

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