Enlightening Commentary

Englewood Shootout

Posted on October 7, 2014

The situation in Englewood came to an end around midnight with the one of the alleged suspects assuming room temperature:

“A police standoff that began in Englewood with the attempted arrest of a shooting spree suspect ended six hours later with one man dead, another wounded and a high-ranking officer recovering from a head wound, officials said.

The identity of the 42-year-old dead man was not released, but the wounded man was identified as the suspect from Indiana, Daniel P. Brown. At least one gun was recovered, police said.

As police Superintendent Garry McCarthy announced the end of the standoff to reporters huddled along 71st Street, a group of three or four women broke into sobs.

“They … killed him!” one of them shouted.”

Maybe, maybe not. We’ll find out soon enough. Our money is on him catching a round during the initial shootout and bleeding out.

More coverage available at the Sun-times and NBC5 Chicago.

Keep it short and to the point. Name calling and similar stupidity will be deleted. If you insist on writing several paragraphs, start your own blog.

  1. Chiraq or Afcago? October 8, 2014 at 9:33 am

    “When you look at Ebola, a humanitarian crisis in West Africa, but also a public health crisis that has the possibility of affecting people around the world, it was the United States that is committed to building the infrastructure that allows health workers to get in and start saving lives and making sure that children aren’t dying on the streets.” – Barack Obama, President of the United States at a NYC fundraiser dinner 10/7/14

    Except if the children are in Chicago and they are dying of lead poisoning.

    • Johan Meyer October 8, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      Except that largely, it was Russia and Cuba that did the heavy lifting on Ebola in West Africa. US promises to have its first labs in west Africa ready in November:

      Russia simply set up mobile labs e.g. in Guinea, and Cuba sent doctors, while US sent soldiers. Credit where due, irrespective of judgment of character.

      • The Green Knight October 8, 2014 at 9:16 pm

        But. . .but. . .Communism! . . .sputter. . .Murrika. . .Negro Muslim president. . .sputter.

        Good luck with that fair and rational approach here.

        • Johan Meyer October 9, 2014 at 1:57 am

          I’ll defend this website on those counts and others. Frankly, Obama is a rather unpleasant character—at least Bush delivered the goods with regards to AIDS in Africa (a South African speaking here). And why should Castro and company not be criticized, unless in the context of ‘balance’?

          You throw around memes, rather than substance.

          • The Green Knight October 9, 2014 at 12:12 pm

            Obama is extremely unpleasant (he’s actually a better conservative in some ways than either Bush was), but I thought you were applauding the efforts of Communist regimes in sending humanitarian aid where that was what was required. Was that not your point?

          • The Green Knight October 9, 2014 at 12:15 pm

            And you *have* seen the tenor of some of the comments on this site, yes?

          • The Green Knight October 9, 2014 at 12:31 pm

            And I think no regime or administration is beyond criticism, but your post implied anything but criticism, unless you were saying that sending doctors and medical supplies was the wrong thing to do.

        • Johan Meyer October 9, 2014 at 1:25 pm

          The fact of Cuba’s communism is an irrelevancy. Obama did image, with a bit of delivery (US charities delivered far more useful and urgent materials than the US government did). If for example, Pinochet were still in power, and he delivered the materials, I would make the same comment. And to call Obama a conservative is to redefine conservatism as whatever you don’t like—in case your forgot, the original cold war was started by US liberals—which is why you harp on McCarthy while conducting yourself similarly, albeit outside congress, e.g. your whine about comments.

          And as for the comments on this site, they speak to exasperation with a disgusting stupidity that has been going on in fits and starts for more than a century. Should one be proud of people murdering each other, shooting each other for kicks (I don’t buy the poor aim theory), and being generally malevolent?

          • Chiraq or Afcago? October 9, 2014 at 5:04 pm

            Johan, what really bothers us on this side is the inability of our government to 1) admit there is a dire problem, 2) pass off the issue as a need for gun control for legal owners, 3) inability of others in state and federal positions to start at #1 and stop this endless loop. We have a culture problem; little kids learn that the only way to succeed is to commit their lives to crime. Character goes out the window. More people are shot yearly in just the City of Chicago than the average number of US servicemen in Afghanistan over 13 years of protracted war.

            That all being said, our continued government’s air-headedness concerning Ebola is incredible, but in line with how those in power are handling the shooting problems in Chicago.

            I spent 20 years in a southeastern US state that had very little crime at all. I spent a lot of time in Middle Eastern countries whose residents generally aspired to travel to America one day. A lot has changed since then, including a general aloofness that blames one issue or another for general misbehavior and criminality.

            Just this afternoon a man decided to bring a rifle to a train station and indiscriminately start shooting. They caught him as he casually walked down the street carrying his rifle when he ran out of ammo. Few in the community care – they just call the police and expect Big Government to come along and do whatever they do, much like when an animal has been hit by a vehicle and needs to be removed from the road. Forget the cause and effect, Big Government is their solution. Much like communism, reliance on Big Government unravels the fabric of our society – previous case in point.

            It’s interesting to get another’s line of thought from a very distant nation. South Africa had its problems in the 80s-00s, but seems to have re-invented its society in a very positive way. Us Yanks on the other hand are becoming more divisive nearly every day.

            So discouraging.

  2. Johan Meyer October 10, 2014 at 9:03 am

    To Chiraq or Afcago
    Thanks for the kind words. Hoping the comment gets to you.

    South Africa still has a very high murder rate, and it has risen slightly the last two years (albeit around 1% over these years). Chicago’s murder rate is about half the current South African rate, which is about half the 1995 South African murder rate. If anything, it is a sign of improvement that such criticisms as yours are being made.

  3. DickG November 4, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    “The situation in Englewood came to an end around midnight with the one of the alleged suspects assuming room temperature:
    The situation in Englewood came to an end around midnight with the one of the alleged suspects began the slow, peaceful, and boring process of assuming room temperature:
    There! Fixed it for ya!

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